944 Turbo picture thread

[Thom]

Thanks. Yes it is an original one, it was on the car when I bought it.

[Latitude48]

Here's a picture I took almost exactly three years ago when I brought the '89 951 home after having a new clutch master and slave cylinder installed. The wheels are forged Fuchs, 10x18-ET65 and 8.0x18-ET52. The not installed center caps are 911 964 RS, silver with black crest.

Unfortunately, the 951 hasn't moved much since then since it's overdue for belts (based on time), and I don't currently have a place in the garage for it, so it's under a car cover. I'm hoping to be able to do the belts when it warms up next spring, but I need to figure out why it won't start. I had been running it every now and then to "drive around the block" but now it cranks great, but not a hint of "fire in the hole." This was my son's car for most of its life, and he apparently misplaced some of the records, so I don't know when the spark plugs and distributor cap were last replaced, and the spark plug wires are 27 year old Magnecor KV85, which I'm going to replace with a set I have from Clewatt Engineering. Spark plugs? I suppose the standard Bosch WR7DC unless there's a better recommendation.

I probably should sell this car, but it's been in the family for 29 years. Cheers.

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[Tom]

Here's a picture I took almost exactly three years ago when I brought the '89 951 home after having a new clutch master and slave cylinder installed. The wheels are forged Fuchs, 10x18-ET65 and 8.0x18-ET52. The not installed center caps are 911 964 RS, silver with black crest.

Unfortunately, the 951 hasn't moved much since then since it's overdue for belts (based on time), and I don't currently have a place in the garage for it, so it's under a car cover. I'm hoping to be able to do the belts when it warms up next spring, but I need to figure out why it won't start. I had been running it every now and then to "drive around the block" but now it cranks great, but not a hint of "fire in the hole." This was my son's car for most of its life, and he apparently misplaced some of the records, so I don't know when the spark plugs and distributor cap were last replaced, and the spark plug wires are 27 year old Magnecor KV85, which I'm going to replace with a set I have from Clewatt Engineering. Spark plugs? I suppose the standard Bosch WR7DC unless there's a better recommendation.

I probably should sell this car, but it's been in the family for 29 years. Cheers.

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Great looking car. And those wheels!! On the no-start, I'd go with the odds. If the boost gauge doesn't move to 1 when the ignition is on, check the DME relay. If the tach does not twitch when you crank it, check the speed and ref sensor connectors. If neither of those, check for fuel and spark. If you have neither or no spark, bypass the KLR and any alarm. If you have fuel or spark (but not both) then more likely something in the ignition or fuel systems themselves. If it has fuel and spark but sputters but won't run, check the timing belt alignment. And, of course, big vacuum leaks are always a no-start favorite. Hard to beat the stock plugs (thought NGK are right up there) and I love the Clewett wires...

[AudiSport]

Air bag module under the passenger dash will also cause a no start issue. If it’s unplugged. It won’t power up the DME/fuel pump

[Latitude48]

Here's a picture I took almost exactly three years ago when I brought the '89 951 home after having a new clutch master and slave cylinder installed. The wheels are forged Fuchs, 10x18-ET65 and 8.0x18-ET52. The not installed center caps are 911 964 RS, silver with black crest.

Unfortunately, the 951 hasn't moved much since then since it's overdue for belts (based on time), and I don't currently have a place in the garage for it, so it's under a car cover. I'm hoping to be able to do the belts when it warms up next spring, but I need to figure out why it won't start. I had been running it every now and then to "drive around the block" but now it cranks great, but not a hint of "fire in the hole." This was my son's car for most of its life, and he apparently misplaced some of the records, so I don't know when the spark plugs and distributor cap were last replaced, and the spark plug wires are 27 year old Magnecor KV85, which I'm going to replace with a set I have from Clewatt Engineering. Spark plugs? I suppose the standard Bosch WR7DC unless there's a better recommendation.

I probably should sell this car, but it's been in the family for 29 years. Cheers.

20221013_200712735_iOS.jpg

Great looking car. And those wheels!! On the no-start, I'd go with the odds. If the boost gauge doesn't move to 1 when the ignition is on, check the DME relay. If the tach does not twitch when you crank it, check the speed and ref sensor connectors. If neither of those, check for fuel and spark. If you have neither or no spark, bypass the KLR and any alarm. If you have fuel or spark (but not both) then more likely something in the ignition or fuel systems themselves. If it has fuel and spark but sputters but won't run, check the timing belt alignment. And, of course, big vacuum leaks are always a no-start favorite. Hard to beat the stock plugs (thought NGK are right up there) and I love the Clewett wires...

Thanks Tom. Regarding the wheels they were kinda a spur of the moment purchase after I found out Fuchs was making these again and Vertex Auto had them at 10% discount. Looking at the pricing now they have increased about 40% since 2022! I had a new set of 18" BBS RS-GT I was going to put on the 951 (still have them) but I made a switch to the Fuchs.

1. The DME relay is a solid-state F9T, so I doubt that's the issue.
2. I'll check for tach bounce.
3. I could smell fuel, so I don't think that's the issue.
4. It didn't pop, splutter... just crank, crank, crank.

I'm going to flip the F9T DME to NA mode, which totally bypasses the KLR. But first, I'll make a recording of all the diagnostic engine parameters while it's cranking and see if anything obvious shows up.

Regarding the suggestion to check the airbag module, the 951 has a non-airbag 968 CS steering wheel, so there have been modifications to the wiring, so that module is effectively out of the loop.

I'll post what I eventually find out in a new thread as I don't want to hijack this thread any more. Thanks.

[Thom]

Love the modern Fuchs wheels. Been pondering trying a set of 17" for years...

[Thom]

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[ROB III]

@Thom
Great location for your shots!
Thank you for sharing.

[Thom]

Thanks. Whether for the sky or the fields in bloom I just had to stop. I drove like a granny on the way home, staring at the fabulous clouds... Between the staggering weather and the smooth jet-like performance of the car it was one of these rare driving moments where everything was perfect, and completely unexpected. It is small moments like these that make it all worthwhile.