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blueline wrote: Fri Nov 24, 2023 8:49 am

Larry C wrote: Fri Nov 24, 2023 8:26 am Don’t 911’s come with OEM bibs? I’m not sure if it adds more safety but I do look forward to filling up the car.

Nope - no bibs in any of the Porsche's I currently own or have owned in the past. In fact, I cannot ever remember having a fuel bib on any car I've ever owned. However, I do remember seeing rubber versions here and there a long time ago.

Unlike cars from long ago, many (most? all?) vehicles today have their filler caps set quite deep into a cavity on the body side with plenty of room all around the filler tube to get the fill nozzle hose in correctly. There are also drainage provisions for fuel spillage safety and odor dissipation.

In my opinion, outside of adding something unique to one's car (which is cool for those who want that), there is no remotely urgent or necessary reason for a fuel bib.

My 944 still has its factory bib

71eh wrote: Fri Nov 24, 2023 8:52 am

blueline wrote: Fri Nov 24, 2023 8:49 am

Larry C wrote: Fri Nov 24, 2023 8:26 am Don’t 911’s come with OEM bibs? I’m not sure if it adds more safety but I do look forward to filling up the car.

Nope - no bibs in any of the Porsche's I currently own or have owned in the past. In fact, I cannot ever remember having a fuel bib on any car I've ever owned. However, I do remember seeing rubber versions here and there a long time ago.

Unlike cars from long ago, many (most? all?) vehicles today have their filler caps set quite deep into a cavity on the body side with plenty of room all around the filler tube to get the fill nozzle hose in correctly. There are also drainage provisions for fuel spillage safety and odor dissipation.

In my opinion, outside of adding something unique to one's car (which is cool for those who want that), there is no remotely urgent or necessary reason for a fuel bib.

Sorry I just assumed people knew I was asking because of the looks, not function. Same with fuel filler caps and tire valve caps.

They do. This thread is about function AND form - not exclusive to either one. Both are good!

Some of the posts (mine included) were merely referring to the functionality aspect of bibs and if they are OEM on today's vehicles.

Been busy getting my GT4 ready for the next HPDE on Dec 2nd and 3rd at Roebling Road.

Installed the CMS Roll Bar myself, that was quite the job. Next step is to install the 6 point harness.

Had Autometrics Motorsports put Porsche Motorsport upper strut mounts (from the 991 cup car) and rear toe links and do a track alignment.

They also put GiroDisc brake discs and Pagid RSL29 brake pads on the car.

At this point it didn’t make sense to use the tires from 2021 that I’d given a hard time to on the last track day so it has a new set of Cup 2 tires.

See the old vs new pics below of the upper strut mounts and toe links.

My fastest lap in my 992 base at my first ever HPDE weekend (at Roebling) was a 1:28, second HPDE weekend at Roebling was the first with my ‘21 718 GT4 and I took 7 seconds off that time. Will be interesting to see how these changes make a difference.

murphsea wrote: Fri Nov 24, 2023 9:27 am Been busy getting my GT4 ready for the next HPDE on Dec 2nd and 3rd at Roebling Road.

Installed the CMS Roll Bar myself, that was quite the job. Next step is to install the 6 point harness.

Had Autometrics Motorsports put Porsche Motorsport upper strut mounts (from the 991 cup car) and rear toe links and do a track alignment.

They also put GiroDisc brake discs and Pagid RSL29 brake pads on the car.

At this point it didn’t make sense to use the tires from 2021 that I’d given a hard time to on the last track day so it has a new set of Cup 2 tires.

See the old vs new pics below of the upper strut mounts and toe links.

My fastest lap in my 992 base at my first ever HPDE weekend (at Roebling) was a 1:28, second HPDE weekend at Roebling was the first with my ‘21 718 GT4 and I took 7 seconds off that time. Will be interesting to see how these changes make a difference.

Installing the CMS bar yourself is impressive. I wouldn't tackle that out of fear of destroying panels and/or otherwise screwing something up. I know getting them installed is a challenge, so good on you!

I have the Cantrell roll bar and it is great, but I feel the CMS offers a couple of big advantages, one being a bit of a view out the back window (I have virtually none with the angled Cantrell cross bar that goes from the front of one side to the rear of the other side and the raised wing.)

The other huge advantage, at least for those with a 4RS, is the ability to get the back engine cover off without having to remove the Cantrell bar (or parts of it, anyway). I think the CMS has stronger tubing too.

Tom wrote: Fri Nov 24, 2023 9:17 am

blueline wrote: Fri Nov 24, 2023 8:49 am

Larry C wrote: Fri Nov 24, 2023 8:26 am Don’t 911’s come with OEM bibs? I’m not sure if it adds more safety but I do look forward to filling up the car.

Nope - no bibs in any of the Porsche's I currently own or have owned in the past. In fact, I cannot ever remember having a fuel bib on any car I've ever owned. However, I do remember seeing rubber versions here and there a long time ago.

Unlike cars from long ago, many (most? all?) vehicles today have their filler caps set quite deep into a cavity on the body side with plenty of room all around the filler tube to get the fill nozzle hose in correctly. There are also drainage provisions for fuel spillage safety and odor dissipation.

In my opinion, outside of adding something unique to one's car (which is cool for those who want that), there is no remotely urgent or necessary reason for a fuel bib.

My 944 still has its factory bib

Hmmm... I think my "Unlike cars from long ago..." comment covers my behind in that regard!

blueline wrote: Fri Nov 24, 2023 9:40 am
Installing the CMS bar yourself is impressive. I wouldn't tackle that out of fear of destroying panels and/or otherwise screwing something up. I know getting them installed is a challenge, so good on you!

I have the Cantrell roll bar and it is great, but I feel the CMS offers a couple of big advantages, one being a bit of a view out the back window (I have virtually none with the angled Cantrell cross bar that goes from the front of one side to the rear of the other side and the raised wing.)

The other huge advantage, at least for those with a 4RS, is the ability to get to the back engine cover off without having to remove the Cantrell bar (or parts of it, anyway.) I think the CMS has stronger tubing too.

I got the CMS one because of the items you mentioned with visibility and engine access.
Also, they sell OEM trim pieces already cut for the roll cage which is great.

Happy I was able to do it myself and it worked out but probably won’t do the install myself on my GT4 RS when that arrives next April. Haven’t even hit the freeze point yet.

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Hmmm... I think my "Unlike cars from long ago..." comment covers my behind in that regard!
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I noticed that "long ago" crack, but decided not to waste a retort on such youth.

Ahhh youth...where hast thou gone!!!

My friend’s 911 SC has the original OEM fuel filler bib. They still sell them at Pelican Parts for many 911’s.

murphsea wrote: Fri Nov 24, 2023 9:46 am

blueline wrote: Fri Nov 24, 2023 9:40 am
Installing the CMS bar yourself is impressive. I wouldn't tackle that out of fear of destroying panels and/or otherwise screwing something up. I know getting them installed is a challenge, so good on you!

I have the Cantrell roll bar and it is great, but I feel the CMS offers a couple of big advantages, one being a bit of a view out the back window (I have virtually none with the angled Cantrell cross bar that goes from the front of one side to the rear of the other side and the raised wing.)

The other huge advantage, at least for those with a 4RS, is the ability to get to the back engine cover off without having to remove the Cantrell bar (or parts of it, anyway.) I think the CMS has stronger tubing too.

I got the CMS one because of the items you mentioned with visibility and engine access.
Also, they sell OEM trim pieces already cut for the roll cage which is great.

Happy I was able to do it myself and it worked out but probably won’t do the install myself on my GT4 RS when that arrives next April. Haven’t even hit the freeze point yet.

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Nice!

You were able to get a PTScolor! BRG or Irish Green perhaps?

I received a 4RS allocation this past April but passed. They pulled PTS the week before I received notice of the allocation, which was highly irritating (bit not the only reason I passed). Still at the top if another allocation materializes, so I'll decide then. (PTS is back on for 4RS at the moment but has been gone from 911's for quite some time. It's a crap shoot with Porsche...........)