Porsche had a bad quarter...

[911-Purist]

While I understand this I only buy production cars and only buy the accessories I need.

Same here but then I also consider a GT3 Touring a "production car" but I cannot get one unless I am one of those poseurs that buys a 911 every year from the dealer.

Back in 2018 I wanted to add another 911 to my 993. The fact that I do not flip my cars every year or two, I still have that 993 since I bought it in 2009 (not for sale). So I looked for a new 911 that was "normally aspirated" as I did not want a "turbo" (991.2) and a PDK. Any GT3 series were going for about $80+K over list. Why would I do that...would you buy stocks at a peak?

Luckily I came across a 157 km or 98 mile 991.1 GTS with plenty of very nice options that was 3Y 1M old. Fits the bill very nicely plus I got to break the engine in properly instead of some clown abusing it right after start-up. I basically bought a new car. I still would not mind a GT3 Touring in a manual of course though but too late for that as I like real instruments in my car and not glass panels.

[RDMcG]

While I understand this I only buy production cars and only buy the accessories I need.

Same here but then I also consider a GT3 Touring a "production car" but I cannot get one unless I am one of those poseurs that buys a 911 every year from the dealer.

Back in 2018 I wanted to add another 911 to my 993. The fact that I do not flip my cars every year or two, I still have that 993 since I bought it in 2009 (not for sale). So I looked for a new 911 that was "normally aspitrated" as I did not want a "turbo" (991.2) and a PDK. Any GT3 series were going for about $80+K over list. Why would I do that...would you buy stocks at a peak?

Luckily I came across a 157 km or 98 mile 991.1 GTS with plenty of very nice options that was 3Y 1M old. Fits the bill very nicely plus I got to break the engine in properly instead of some clown abusing it right after start-up. I basically bought a new car. I still would not mind a GT3 Touring in a manual of course though but too late for that as I like real instruments in my car and not glass panels.

I would agree its a production car, I tend to buy GT3RS models which are also clearly production cars, but these models do not make up a big percentage of the total output and of course get tested and displayed but the hordes of internet journos and "influencers", thus making them desirable, so presumably they don't rush to produce more and create a halo effect on the normal production cars...

I think the interesting question is why it takes so long to get ( say) a Cayenne these days; My sense is that Porsche is have a few supply chain problems. When I got my last Cayenne it arrived with a stop sale on it as they were missing a part of the sound system ( which in turn made the whole interface unusable) , thus leaving the car at the dealer for another month.

I still have cars old enough when the radio was...a radio- a few buttons that just did radio stuff. Now, there are few independent components...just part of the overall user environment. I am well aware that this stuff will be quickly obsolete and there will be a shortage of people who can service them. Jut look at junkyard these days. In the past they were full of rusty hulks, but now firmly perfect bodies with dead electronics that are too costly to repair.

[911-Purist]

I would agree its a production car, I tend to buy GT3RS models which are also clearly production cars...

Well the GT3RS is a bit too "boy racer" for me with that wing and especially now that they drastically changed fenders. If I were on the track 100% of the time, sure. Every time I leave Mosport, I look at that home at the edge of the CR 20 by the DDT track and say, that is the home I want although it is nothing special, but 100 m from the track. I'd be on the track daily. Why I would pick the GT3 Touring...less "boy racer".

Now lets be honest, how long do you keep your GT3RS models? If I bought a GT3 Touring, I'd hang onto it as I have will all my cars and motorcycles instead of using it as financial gain.

[RDMcG]

I would agree its a production car, I tend to buy GT3RS models which are also clearly production cars...

Well the GT3RS is a bit too "boy racer" for me with that wing and especially now that they drastically changed fenders. If I were on the track 100% of the time, sure. Every time I leave Mosport, I look at that home at the edge of the CR 20 by the DDT track and say, that is the home I want although it is nothing special, but 100 m from the track. I'd be on the track daily. Why I would pick the GT3 Touring...less "boy racer".

Now lets be honest, how long do you keep your GT3RS models? If I bought a GT3 Touring, I'd hang onto it as I have will all my cars and motorcycles instead of using it as financial gain.

Well, I I bought my 7.1 RS new in Nov 2007, My 991RS new in September 2015 factory delivery, the 992RS in May 2023 and still have them all. I also got a 7.2RS in 2010 but regrettably sold it as I had space problems at the time and promised myself I would not do that again.. In general I don't sell any of them . ( I also have an SL500 from 2003 and a Smart from 2004, also bought new and a Jeep for offroading that is also getting up there) .

I just hate selling cars.

For more road focused cars I just drive them into the ground. My old Cayenne S is still in the neighbourhood, sold with 325,000km on it and now has 345,000. My current Cayenne will suffer a similar fate, as will the Pana. No interest at all in flipping or worrying about market values.

I absolutely understand the preference for the Touring for the reasons you mention. The 992 is fairly impractical but I will whack it around in Europe this fall as I tend to do on tracks there. Would never be a daily driver or even close. Has to be a solo car, no luggage space.

[911-Purist]

I just hate selling cars.

Unlike the previous owner of my GTS who has bought at least three GT3 series cars since I bought his car at the Porsche dealer in 2018. So that is one car every 18 months. Trading them in, he saves most of his taxes as well. Little wonder most cannot get that GT3 Touring model.

[RDMcG]

I sort of get it in a way. If you look at the car as a financial transaction then you act differently. We all know that the current hot car will trade at a premium for a while only to be replaced by the next one. When the 992.2 GT cars show up they will be better for those who must have the latest and greatest - the current cars will come down from peak.

I cannot be bothered chasing this product cycle and am pretty much done with any more GT cars due to age. Will have fun with what I have as I do not need to exploit capabilities beyond my skill level which will continue to evolve with future models.

[911-Purist]

I sort of get it in a way. If you look at the car as a financial transaction then you act differently. We all know that the current hot car will trade at a premium for a while only to be replaced by the next one. When the 992.2 GT cars show up they will be better for those who must have the latest and greatest - the current cars will come down from peak.

Exactly! I know the type.

I cannot be bothered chasing this product cycle...

I am an advertizing exec's worst nightmare as they cannot sell me something I do not want. I do know people that just need to have the latest mobile phone but they want it yesterday. I've had one that was nine years old...its a damn friggin phone. LOL